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Krista Parkinson's avatar

I totally get this and feel very similar. I had to write a post about it as I was an undecided voter. The vitriol on the left was scary and sad. People I had known for over 20 years treated me horribly. I never even said who I was voting for and yet, everyone filled in the blanks. I had to get off social media for a while and have only posted one Substack since then. It made me reevaluate everything. My life has changed a lot in a short amount of time and my desire to be in this digital world diminishes. Then I read a post like this and think “yes, there are more people like me. Reasonable, flawed and thinking people!” Thx for posting.

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Notes from the Under Dog L.'s avatar

I read this with great interest, having been guillotined by several people, all irrational, all cruel, some of whom were good friends. I'm considering starting a podcast on this subject (reach out to me....!)

I'm still on FB, but will have to stop looking at it. The vitriol and bad faith interactions are off the charts. One habit I've gotten into is 'testing' the most foaming-at-the-mouth characters with a Socratic question, or a simple, impersonal, disinterested inquiry type comment.

For example:

A female poet, a peer at the University of Iowa Writers' Workshop (I was in the fiction workshop though), whose FB posts are so nasty and othering that I have felt the urge to hit the 'block' button several times a day. Interestingly enough, her reputation preceded her arrival on FB, when another Workshop peer posted that someone from our class had been punched in the face in a Brooklyn restaurant while she was in the midst of bitching about Trump in 2016. Then she 'friended' me -- and oh my god, I could completely understand why someone wouldn't be able to hold back on smacking her. Just completely shrill, unhinged, nastiness. No filter. Not even poetic. And worse -- people click 'like' on it, enabling this runaway narcissism further.

She has been particularly nasty about Jews and Israel.

So with characters like these, I tend to let it go, free speech proponent that I am, but if they're posting, I get it into my head that they are soliciting responses. This woman is a professor, btw, so ....what if the following interaction were to take place in her classroom?

But full disclosure -- when I post a comment, usually measured, never personal -- I sit back and wait to be guillotined. For a measured, impersonal comment. And it happens every time.

She posted: WHAT KIND OF COUNTRY DOESN'T HAVE A DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION???? A SHIT HOLE COUNTRY!!!!

My comment went something like this: I went all the way through public school without a DOE. It started in 1979 or 1980. I got a perfectly fine education.

She responded with something off the internet that corroborates that the DOE was implemented in 1980, however federal interest in education was part of a larger entity. In other words, I was wrong.

I responded that public education is funded by the state and local governments. I do see that there was more government intervention as of 1965, and wondered whether that had anything to do with replacing phonics with word recognition, a reading method that is ineffective. I mentioned how my friend removed his kids from the same school he'd attended because of the ideological reading materials imposed on them (transgender / LGBT) -- he is liberal -- he voted for Harris -- but he -- as I do -- believe that reading materials should be universal, as opposed to identity-driven -- for the most part.

I added an AI explanation of federal funds for education being something like less than 10%.

She responded: Ah, AI, the arbiter of truth.

I responded: Ah, the Genetic Fallacy. You are welcome to verify how funds are allocated to our public education system. I maintain that the DOE is a moribund bureaucracy, and that states can decide how to run their districts.

Anyway, in the interim she posted: IF YOU ARE REPUBLICAN GET OFF MY FRIENDS LIST NOW YOUR POLITICS ARE SHIT...

Then responded to my comment that I 'sound like an 80s Republican, which means that I am too stupid to engage with. SHE, she told me, prefers KINDNESS (I apparently don't -- based on showing that the DOE doesn't really do anything?)

And there are many more of these stories. They too quickly descend into personal insults, and almost never, ever, refute the policy.

I also don't understand what they get out of cutting people off. Does it feel good?

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